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[dino]

Feb 21, 2012 22:04:44 GMT -5 dino said:

Feb 21, 2012 0:18:21 GMT -5 Aaron Allard-Morgan said:

Thats not why Brian saved Ais, they are bffs supposely I found that out. But my plan was to take out Ais and then Drew, final 3 me, April and Brian. How is April playing safe? She put up Sophie and targetted her, she also went after Ais. If anyone left is playing safe that would be Drew. Plus Ais maybe strong but she has one nasty personality. And exactly what James said, I have no problem comparing her game here and her game in recycled now. She is a bully. Thankfully she is not as bad as Sophie so if she is against Brian, I wouldn't be so mad she beat him. As for her against Drew or April, she can suck it!

Brian and Aisleyne are not bff. April played safe because she did exactly what everyone expected her to do... target Sophie. What's so dangerous in targeting someone the ENTIRE house is after? [Drew is playing safe, but he at least had everyone thinking he was with them].

For me: Aisleyne > Drew > Apeface.

And you guys can not talk to me about "bullying" or "cyber bullying" and shit. Go read what Lori did to me and just try to compare that to Aisleyne.

Also I want to say, yeah... April TRIED to make moves. She TRIED to take Sophie out (which wasn't even a BIG move, since EVERYONE wanted it.) But guess what happened? AISLEYNE ruined her plan by saving Sophie. NOW THAT IS A BIG MOVE. When you do something NO ONE wants you to do, and it benefits you. Damn, you just pulled off one helluva game play. April, not so much. She got me out... who did that benefit?

Also, I'm pretty sure Aisleyne isn't stupid enough to earn a penalty nomination on purpose. When April was HOH, obviously she was going to be nominated 100%, but I think it's damn smart that (if this is true), that April then had to nominate two more people (a la Brian and Michelle) and piss them off, along with Aisleyne. Aisleyne then won POV, saved herself, and ruined April's plan in getting her out -- furthermore, she forced April to piss off Brian/Michelle, and that catalyzed Brian to Aisleyne's side.

April refused to touch Aaron & Drew in her second HOH? Why? She was scared. She couldn't make a big move against them, because she had NOTHING to back it up with. She targeted the weakest players because (no offense, but due to lack of no better word and the necessity to get my point across), but she was a pussy. She had the chance to make a big move, but she didn't. Aisleyne on the other hand, did.

[Aaron Allard-Morgan]

She wasn't scared of me or Drew. Drew and I both had Aprils back. She went after people who were after her like Sophie was. Michelle, Brian, or Ais did not have Aprils back like Drew and I did. That's why she didn't put us up.

[dino]

Michelle and Brian were also not as big of end-game threats as you guys were. You two would have kicked her ass in a finale... if she were playing to win she would have realized that. No offense.

Aisleyne would have had April's back if she gave her the opportunity. Aisleyne had no one, and April continued to target her.

Also, Sophie was never directly after April...? Tbh I don't see how it benefited April whatsoever to take Sophie out, other than the fact that it was a safe move, which didn't even pull through.

PS. I love how you ignored all of my other points. Really goes to show you that Aisleyne deserves to win lol.

[Michelle Maradie]

I was never after April. JSYN. I was prepared to go to the final three with her and Drew. That's all on that.

And Dino is right. I even commented on Ais's self-nominations as being crazy but brilliant if she successfully survived, which happened. She took fate into her own hands and I commend that.

[dino]

Thanks for backing me up, Michelle. I always felt like you've been a sweetheart! I loved your goodbye message. =]

[Michelle Maradie]

Aww Dino <3. I did mean it all too.

I'm gonna be honest though, when April put you up against Sophie and she got saved and Sarah was put up, I was kind of relieved because I really saw you as one of my biggest threats just based on how little we'd actually connected and I mentioned it A.LOT. So I felt it benefited me when she did that but I'm not sure how much it actually benefited her.

[dino]

Feb 22, 2012 20:29:40 GMT -5 Michelle Maradie said:

Aww Dino <3. I did mean it all too.

I'm gonna be honest though, when April put you up against Sophie and she got saved and Sarah was put up, I was kind of relieved because I really saw you as one of my biggest threats just based on how little we'd actually connected and I mentioned it A.LOT. So I felt it benefited me when she did that but I'm not sure how much it actually benefited her.

If benefited you and Aaron for sure.

[Aaron Allard-Morgan]

I never said that Ais didn’t play a good game. But she has a disgusting personality and I have a hard time rewarding my vote to her, especially how arrogant and cocky she would get every time she won, she will have to work hard for my vote. It is so funny how you’re talking all this game once you’re out of the game, you didn’t say shit when you were in the game. Why would April have worked with Sophie and Ais when they were against people in April’s alliance? April is loyal and if you think that is safe then so be it. April is someone who fought to help herself and alleys and I respect that.

[James Rhine]

Off Topic: I never got my goodbye messages, not that I want them because I'm positive they are really mean, but just saying.

I don't get how we can commend Ais for letting herself be auto-nommed. That's practically asking for it, and I don't think it was an amazing game move, because even if she wasnt auto nommed she's won lots of comps and we can all see that.

As for April, I don't get how she played safe. Why are we not giving April credit for keeping the target off her back when she nominated Sophie? I mean seriously, it takes skill to nominate a giant threat and still be off their radar, I don't care if everyone wanted it, April did well in competitions as well, and she went after threats. She's not getting enough credit in this game, and I think people really need to look at that.

[dino]

I'm not saying April made a bad move in targeting Sophie, I'm just saying it wasn't a huge game move when that's exactly what was expected of her.

Regardless of how Aisleyne ACTED, she still deserves to win. I don't think personal feelings should be taken into account unless it was on par with Lori's bashing last season. If not, then get over it. It's a game, she played it, she conquered.

I'm only defending how I see the game, you're free to do so as well. I don't see what's so funny. I didn't hear shit from you the entire game either, so that's a really subjective statement, Aaron.

I'm also not saying April should have worked with Sophie and Aisleyne... I'm saying once Sophie was gone, Aisleyne probably would have been loyal to April if April had shown effort in working with her. You said April didn't put you & Drew up because you guys had Aisleyne's back. That same belief could be used toward that round if she had kept Aisleyne safe. But she didn't (I'm aware Aisleyne auto-nommed herself, but April made it obvious she was gonna do it anyway - not a smart move). If she had been open to Aisleyne, Aisleyne would have had April's back. So obviously April didn't keep you guys safe because you guys had her back, when anyone she kept safe would have had her back as well. She kept you guys safe because she was afraid to make a move.

James, I think it's a very "out-of-the-box" type strategy, but I don't think it should be condemned. It shows she's willing to make risks (unlike April).

Again, I'm not taking credit away from April by targeting Sophie. You guys just made it seem like she made some huge move. When you even just said so yourself, "for keeping the target off her back." That's all she did. She kept the target off of her back, which is the straight up definition of playing it safe. Once she had nominated Sophie, she wasn't "off Sophie's radar" - if anything, it made Sophie want April out first thing rather than the other targets she had.

What competitions did April win? I'm only seeing two, but I'm sure it's more than that... regardless, I'm sure it's nothing compared to Aisleyne's - she dominated challenges, and Aisleyne went after threats, too. In the process, she made herself a threat (but she was a threat from DAY ONE - and she's still there. That says a lot - that she's persevered more than anyone and fought her ass off from the get-go!)

I'm not giving April no credit, I'm just giving Aisleyne more credit.

[dino]

Feb 22, 2012 21:26:14 GMT -5 Aaron Allard-Morgan said:

April is someone who fought to help herself and alleys and I respect that.

As is Aisleyne? She put a target on herself to save an ally.

[Aaron Allard-Morgan]

Exactly I still looked like the big threat to Ais even after she put up Sophie and I wasn’t the one who did that. April is able to win challenges, get threats out and still be in the game. I mean they could of voted me or her and they kept her for a reason because they don’t view her as the threat she actually is. No one has played a “safe” game here. I do not know where you are getting that bullshit. We all made moves and decisions that either benefitted or hurt us but still was a move.

[dino]

Sure, April won challenges, but so did Aisleyne & Drew - and I'm pretty sure they both won more than her. Also, what "threats" did April take out? lol. She tried to take Sophie out, but Aisleyne foiled that plan [by winning veto]! She tried to take Aisleyne out, but Aisleyne ruined that plan [by winning veto]!

If you take an HOH run to "keep the target off your back" then I consider that a safe move. I haven't seen much more else of April's game, but I look forward to hearing her argue her point of view, that's for sure!

You were at least willing to speak your mind and make yourself come across as a threat - that is what a jury likes to see. They don't like to see everything sugar coated and they don't like to see people make moves to "keep the target off of their back," so I do perceive you as more of a threat than April. She wasn't a weak player by any means, but compared to Aisleyne, I don't think she deserves to win.

Who makes more of a satisfying victory?
The girl who got by, by keeping the target off of their back, or the girl who fought from day one, making big moves + winning tons of challenges + persevering with a target on her back for weeks? That's all I'm sayin'!

[Aaron Allard-Morgan]

Why would I give her my vote when she was a living nightmare to me? So what if she has to win to save her ass, she put herself in that position herself by being someone people can’t stand. She saved Sophie because they were already friends before this game. Sophie and Ais put themselves in a bad situation, and Ais is relying to win challenges. Just because you win every challenge to save your ass does not make you a deserving winner. I think if you’re able to be in power 1 round and the next you go back to being no one’s targets well done.

[Aaron Allard-Morgan]

And well she wasn't afraid to target threats.